tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post237584342828410780..comments2024-01-08T06:03:17.766-08:00Comments on Never Play Cards With a Man Called Doc: Another Interesting HandDrChakohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13408654385168201338noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-14220039788879216442009-11-05T13:44:08.585-08:002009-11-05T13:44:08.585-08:00Wait....Peaker claims he shoves here? With TPTK, ...Wait....<i>Peaker</i> claims he shoves here? With TPTK, when you've already raised preflop (and got called), bet the flop (and got called) and bet the turn (and got called)?<br /><br />Nice try, Dan.Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031535857121915911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-869203676807544122009-11-04T13:12:29.588-08:002009-11-04T13:12:29.588-08:00I sorta hate the check as it induces the shove fro...I sorta hate the check as it induces the shove from a good opponent.. I do like the jam idea if your sure it's a chop.. but CS does not fold also the value bet is ok.SirFWALGManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310209706844541719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-41966073984059884562009-11-04T06:37:06.546-08:002009-11-04T06:37:06.546-08:00Checking behind is perfect here unless you are 100...Checking behind is perfect here unless you are 100% sure on your read that he's not holding AA, KK, X3, or 66, and will call with any queen.<br /><br />No sense throwing good money away just for a likely chop. You learn this the hard way playing split games ;)<br /><br />Take the chop and move on.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069654181152145893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-75928323665974171752009-11-03T16:59:32.056-08:002009-11-03T16:59:32.056-08:00I would have shoved there. It's very possible ...I would have shoved there. It's very possible it would have scared him off. Probably not, but it looks like a bluff that way, which is conceiveable given the paired board to begin with.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08837529956827141862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-39539866753843324242009-11-03T14:00:14.916-08:002009-11-03T14:00:14.916-08:00Fear the power of the 3!
In this case, I was near...Fear the power of the 3!<br /><br />In this case, I was nearly 100% certain he had something like QJ or Q10. It's unlikely he gets this far with an underpair. I truly felt that him slowplaying a 3 would be nearly impossible here. He was wasn't that tricky. He also had a nice tell - after he checked, he reached for his hand to turn it over, assuming I would check behind. Again, not tricky enough to use this as a false tell.<br /><br />I would make an argument here that this calls for some deliberation. With calling stations, I find that taking some time (actually deliberating or just seeming to) forces them to think about it, too. About 20 to 30 seconds is all that's necessary. If you are sure he's got the same hand, a bet big enough to get him to fold is worth it. Nothing to lose, and half the pot to gain. <br /><br />Against this player, I didn't feel that any bet would have been large enough to get him to fold (he only had about $300 behind at this point), so I checked behind. Still, the thought process was worth it. If he has $1000 behind, this move has a lot more potential. <br /><br />-DrCDrChakohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13408654385168201338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-11958335081814282342009-11-03T13:30:28.748-08:002009-11-03T13:30:28.748-08:00I think the lesson of your last few posts is not t...I think the lesson of your last few posts is not to fold a hand preflop that contains a 3Bayne_Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00102763865455445325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-70345061937633904512009-11-03T13:25:08.829-08:002009-11-03T13:25:08.829-08:00p.s. stack sizes aren't well covered. That as...p.s. stack sizes aren't well covered. That assumed he had decent money still back.KenPhttp://www.pokerperambulation.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-25899470694314159152009-11-03T13:17:20.680-08:002009-11-03T13:17:20.680-08:00OK, I'll be the woose here. I check. Nice po...OK, I'll be the woose here. I check. Nice pot. And you gave action like maybe he wanted. Opening the betting gives that A3s or whatever what he's laid in wait for.<br /><br />Value betting can be dangerous at times. Been there and done that... Not only lost but needed plastic surgery for the scaring.KenPhttp://www.pokerperambulation.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-80875963941992618682009-11-03T12:30:37.217-08:002009-11-03T12:30:37.217-08:00Smallish blocking bet that he can only check-raise...Smallish blocking bet that he can only check-raise with a 3 in his hand (very unlikely). You're chopping with another queen anyway, and this will get some value out of a hand like 88.<br /><br />$80 sounds like the right amount.F-Trainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11375201566894511180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-2452964932183987682009-11-03T10:56:36.694-08:002009-11-03T10:56:36.694-08:00EDIT: I noticed that the player your in with is t...EDIT: I noticed that the player your in with is the one you described as a calling station post flop. That makes me lean toward the value bet a little more, but I'm still not sure I'd go for it.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05422699539725565781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-65001837374640073442009-11-03T10:52:37.657-08:002009-11-03T10:52:37.657-08:00I'd check and expect to split with another que...I'd check and expect to split with another queen, which you had outkicked to this point.<br /><br />You could make the argument for putting in a big bet to represent kings or aces and getting the queen to fold, but I don't see it happening often enough. And you can't ever represent a 3 here with the way it played out, so I don't see him folding an over pair. You could also try a small bet to squeeze a little more value out of a lower pair. But if you get checkraised you're going to be in a really tough spot.<br /><br />I just don't think he folds any better hand here or calls enough with worse hands to make the case for betting.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05422699539725565781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-62242899297013658422009-11-03T10:52:12.113-08:002009-11-03T10:52:12.113-08:00I think the only hand he could have that beats you...I think the only hand he could have that beats you is 66. I make a bet of 1/3 pot or so and hope he doesn't raise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-36255350211713639582009-11-03T10:28:47.246-08:002009-11-03T10:28:47.246-08:00So standard, Waffles can't read hands to save ...So standard, Waffles can't read hands to save his life.<br /><br />Pot is what, $313, and you started the hand with $500, so you have a lot behind. I'd bet for value, probably $130 (if you think he'll call more, bet more!). I never expect villain in the big blind to show up with KK+ or a 3, so at worst we're chopping with another queen, and most of the time we're extracting value from a smaller boat.<br /><br />-PLShrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05404058806313927899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15121395.post-62030243316715342472009-11-03T10:13:38.348-08:002009-11-03T10:13:38.348-08:00Might as well bet again he is not folding and prob...Might as well bet again he is not folding and probably gonna check behind you.SirFWALGManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310209706844541719noreply@blogger.com